Monday, September 30th, 2024 09:38 am

What is it about babies that when older people meet them, they begin spouting out the most amazing bunch of gunk ever spoken? “Oh, what a cute baby! Aren’t you, though? Oh yes …” and then the gibberish begins. Words never put into a dictionary flow from the mouth of normally level-headed adult individuals; words that have no definition, that never existed in the English language, and that have no meaning whatsoever.

 

Now, to clarify, there are some words that have no definition outside of their sound. Those words are onomatopoeiatic;  words that are often used and understood by other humans as another way to describe animal or bird sounds. These words such as “bark”, “bleat”, “gobble” and “woof” are meant to describe the sound that the animal makes when it communicates to others. They are part of our lexicon and can be found in most dictionaries.

 

Then there are nonsense words – words that have no definition at all. Nonsense words are sometimes used to help children learn how to read – how to sound out what a word should sound like when it’s viewed in print. There are lesson plans and supplementary materials available to teachers who want/need to examine these farther with their beginning reading students. These words, however nonsensical, still aren’t quite what spouts from the voices of perfectly normal-appearing adults when faced with small children imprisoned in strollers in a public setting.

 

So how does one go about devolving into the sappy stranger faced with a baby in a stroller in a public setting? (1) The person butchering the English language and warping the child for life with nonsense words must be a stranger to the child and its’ family. People who are more familiar to the family usually evolve from this state of interaction quite quickly – often with parental pushing and guidance. (2) The setting is usually a public one – a grocery store, a shopping mall, or a public park, for example. And while in that setting, the parent or responsible adult is doing “walksies” with said baby. (3) The child itself must be in a good mood, and that mood must continue despite the application of ridiculous words from a stranger who is getting FAR too close for comfort.

 

If you are a parent caught in a situation like this; and you are receiving a load of haver from an unknown person directed at the small Mini-Me version of yourself in the stroller, do not despair. The child will not be scarred by this total misapplication of the English language (I say English here because it is my home language, but feel free to substitute your language of choice). In most instances the child will totally ignore the strange person; or upon seeing a stranger, the ‘sweet baby’ will emote a squawk such as would awaken the Gods upon Mount Olympus, thus frightening the well-wisher with poor grammatical skills away and leaving you to apologize to their retreating backs for your baby’s “rude” behavior. Either pathway will lead to the same result. The well-wisher with halitosis and bifocals will be chased away, and you will once again be free to educate your child in proper grammatical usage of common words in your language of choice. Voila – problem solved or resolved.

 

Is this the end of haver in the life of your child? Oh, most certainly not. But the instances of haver will tend to settle in specific people or staged interactions. For example, someone who is very afraid of flying may end up talking non-stop in their seat when all you want to do is put on your headphones and do the latest crossword puzzle. Or a person meeting someone unexpectedly may “gush” words they normally would never say. For instance, a fan of a particular movie, meeting the star of said film on the street, may well waste that opportunity for a meaningful interaction by falling into the trap of babbling.

 

Then we come to the politicians. There must be an unspoken rule in politics that allows a candidate to spout really stupid things, giving incorrect data as factual, slinging mud onto the opposing candidate, or simply lying. Apparently, this type of haver is allowable because we’re getting our fill of it during the current US Presidential election. Yet, there are people who can listen to the words, think that the nonsense is true, and vote accordingly. In fact, politicians rely on that (and the short-term memory problems of the constituency). There’s really no accounting for it, but it happens in every election, from the local level through to the Presidential level.

 

I don’t know about you, but I have an issue having haver spoken to me. I am an adult, a highly educated individual and I’m fully capable of choosing between candidates without hearing a daily dose of nonsense fed to me over the television, through the radio, or in print. I, for one, will be grateful when the election is over. Will I approve of the result? That is still to be determined, and not germane to this argument, therefore my own haver ends right now.

 
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Monday, September 30th, 2024 04:42 pm (UTC)
"Haver" is a new word for me. I like how the essay evolves from baby-babble to politically-chosen babble.

LOL, I haven't thought of my ficlet "Baby Talk" in many years, thanks for the memories!

http://www.storiesofarda.com/texteditor/chapterpreview.asp?sid=5129&CID=22608
Monday, September 30th, 2024 05:38 pm (UTC)
'Haver' is Scots and is a favourite word of my very own Scot! :o)
Monday, September 30th, 2024 05:36 pm (UTC)
With my new great nephew all I wanted to do was hold and I assure you there was no nonsense language! :o)

Monday, September 30th, 2024 06:13 pm (UTC)
I don't fuss over babies, I fuss over dogs. They usually like it, if they don't I back right off.
To combine your topics, don't let any babies near Trump. He'd probably bite them.
Tuesday, October 1st, 2024 11:53 am (UTC)
The HoneyB used to babble on and we figured by the tone of voce she was using, she was mimicking sports and news casters on TV since my SIL has that on all the time. Se is super-articulate ow, as is RainBowBoy who had PBS Kids on all the time. Tie-Breaker seems to be a man o few words. We know he hears fine and understands YOU, but he's not too vocal. It's cute tho when he refers to the family dog as "Good Girl" instead of her name.
Wednesday, October 2nd, 2024 10:20 am (UTC)
I love babies but I've never in my life done that weird voice when talking to them, hahah. I always wonder what must go through the babies' heads seeing a huge head looming over them talking at an odd pitch!!
Thursday, October 3rd, 2024 05:09 pm (UTC)
I think having those huge heads is one reason babies burst out crying when confronted by new people - LOL. But honestly so do I, haha. I have pretty serious megalophobia and I know would hate having a huge head peering down at me and talking at a shrill pitch! I can only imagine how bewildered they are. Come to think of it, I've always been v good with babies and they never cry when I hold them and the fact that I don't jumpscare them is probably one reason, lol!
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Friday, October 4th, 2024 11:29 am (UTC)
It's actually proven that "Motherese" helps children learn to talk! It also gives them a sense of love and well-being, so there's a scientific reason why a lot of people (women especially) speak to babies that way!

https://jewelautismcentre.com/jewel_blog/the-importance-of-motherese/#:~:text=They%20are%20able%20to%20recall,are%20practicing%20positive%2C%20loving%20touch.
Saturday, October 5th, 2024 02:41 pm (UTC)
Hahaha, annoying baby talk can definitely get on your nerves, even when you're not the parent.

I liked this line, "The child itself must be in a good mood, and that mood must continue despite the application of ridiculous words from a stranger who is getting FAR too close for comfort."

The ominous stranger, drawing ever closer. :)

Fun entry.

Dan
Saturday, October 5th, 2024 02:59 pm (UTC)
LOL! Loved how you took baby talk all the way to our current administration! Clever!
Saturday, October 5th, 2024 11:30 pm (UTC)
Too fun! Great job! I too am tired of the political haver and never haver at babies.
Sunday, October 6th, 2024 04:16 am (UTC)
I love it! A good haver on havering! 👏❤👏
Sunday, October 6th, 2024 04:23 pm (UTC)
My mother had a thing against baby talk she and with her encouragement/insistence other people around me spoke to me as if I was an adult.

Allegedly I could speak in complete sentences at 16 months.

In fact mom had me stand on my bed early in my toilet training and she said she knew it was time to really make an effort to complete my toilet training. When I could say "Mommy, I need to go stand on the bed now." But couldn't manage going to the bathroom.

I also couldn't tie my own shoes before age 11, lest you think of me as a child genius.

None of this has anything to do with this excellent entry but like a politician I do like to haver on.
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Sunday, October 6th, 2024 11:28 pm (UTC)
I have never babbled to a child. An animal though... ha ha

I too, will be glad when this election is over. I passed my tolerance limit for the lies and incoherent babbling long ago.
Monday, October 7th, 2024 03:55 pm (UTC)
And unfortunately, I do not expect the election to stop that particular infection. It has already been spread too far and wide. I do not know how to put that particular rabid genie back into its bottle.
Monday, October 7th, 2024 09:23 pm (UTC)
I fuss over babies and talk nonsense to them. Strangers did the same to our babies. It's the great circle of life. I loved the transition from baby talk to politician talk. It was very clever.
Monday, October 7th, 2024 10:42 pm (UTC)
Me neither. In a normal universe, Harris should be winning handily. I hate the Electoral College.
Tuesday, October 8th, 2024 07:07 am (UTC)
I hadn't thought about nonsense words to help kids read, though that's part of the charm of Dr. Seuss. And Ogden Nash, with his humorous poems.

Politically speaking, I really hate that Trump popularized the Big Lie approach, and the desire to drown the public in a fire-hose flood of lies faster than people can think about whether the statements are true or not. It has made for such a cynical atmosphere, among other things. :(
Tuesday, October 8th, 2024 05:06 pm (UTC)
It's not just you. And I see it in both his political approach, his "scapegoating" technique, and his plans for if he wins re-election. He should be in jail, not running for office. :(
Saturday, October 12th, 2024 05:25 pm (UTC)
Interesting exploration of the different meanings.
Saturday, October 12th, 2024 07:11 pm (UTC)
I don't baby-talk to infants, but I can understand that the tone of voice communicates intent sometimes far better than meaningful words - and I think that's why so many think using haver for infants is appropriate. Frankly, in instances where the language itself might otherwise be a barrier, the tone of voice of the baby-talk haver plays a useful, communicative role - it's unfortunate that folks don't realize that they could talk intelligibly and still have tone of voice communicativeness apply. But haver does seem to transcend language and culture, so... *deep sigh*

That said, your transition between talking to infants and politician talking to potential voters was exceptionally well done. Frankly, so many (on both sides) IMHO are either cultists or brainwashed idiots, so that the tone of voice in political haver actually ends up - like with infants - playing a useful (??!!) communicative role in convincing/brainwashing/gaslighting/whatever-you-want-to-call-it.

Like for you, Nov 5 can't come fast enough for me; partly to have done with the electioneering haver, and partly because, as that's the day my brother arrives for his visit, I get to inflict "Life of Brian" on him instead of sitting watching the election returns. I prefer the intellectually ridiculous to haver, frankly. *snerk*

Good job!